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SSRI Side Effects and Withdraw Symptoms
July 8, 2009 at 10:41 pm

Can someone tell me, (or link me to), all of the general side-effects to SSRI drugs, (specifically Lexapro), and the withdraw symptoms accompanied to these drugs if one were to..lets say...go cold turkey after four years of taking Lexapro?
I'm trying to figure out why one of my friends has memory problems; often forgetting who I am, along with people who have been with her since she was born. The only assumption I have is Lexapro withdraw, but I'm still not 100% sure.

SSRI Side-Effects
July 8, 2009 at 10:15 pm

Disregard this thread. I posted another in the Drug Information section.

If I take prescribed tramadol daily, will it make hydro/oxy not work anymore?
July 8, 2009 at 10:01 pm

SKIP TO BOTTOM OF MY POST FOR CLIFFNOTES IF FULL POST IS TOO LONG FOR YOU TO READ! THANKS!


Hello everyone, first post here.

Okay, so basically here is my situation and my question:

Situation: I have had chronic severe stabbing pains in my pelvic area (genitals mainly, believe it or not... what luck I have...) for quite a long time now (over a year) and though I have them basically every single day, some days are much worse than others. The doctors have not been able to figure out what is causing the stabbing pains, and so I still have them. So in the meantime while they try to find the cause, I asked if I could see a pain management doctor so that I don't have to suffer as much while they fiddle around trying to figure out how to cure the cause of the pain itself.

Pain killing history: Okay, so I have actually been playing it very cautious so far with pain killers. Over the past year, I have only been prescribed one single bottle of 5mg percocet and one single bottle on 5mg vicodin. I have only used about two thirds of each bottle so far, so I average less than one pill per week, since it has been only about 35-40 pills that I've taken so far, total, in a little over a year, and I never took pain killers prior to all this, ever.

Random interesting sidenote btw: At equal doses (they are both 5mg tablets), vicodin seems to kill the pain better for me than percocet does. Which is strange, since, from what I understand, percocet is normally supposed to be considerably stronger than vicodin at equal dosage, not the other way around. But for me it's backwards. This doesn't really relate to anything, just thought it was something weird to mention.

Anyways: So basically, I have intentionally tried to only use the vicodin or percocet on my absolute worst days, so once every week or so, and not take any on the other days. This means that I am in a lot of pain every day, but, on the days when it is just totally unbearable pain, I am able to take a pain killer and have it ACTUALLY WORK. Since I have not really built any tolerance to it yet, due to intentionally not taking it as often as I might feel I "need to" (which would be every day).

So: As you can see, I am EXTREEEEMELY tolerance-o-phobic. This is because I know how utterly ridiculously bad my physical pain can get, on a really bad day, so I have a HUUUUGE fear of building up a tolerance to opiates rendering them ineffective, leaving me with no way of reducing my pain on the really bad days, short of asking a neighbor to knock me unconscious with a sledge hammer or something. I really want to try to keep it where when I take a pain killer, it is actually effective. I do not want to build up a tolerance any time soon, because I have no idea how many years or decades it'll be before they can cure me of my severe stabbing pains.


Okay so I went to my pain management doctor finally for the first time this week, and told him all about what's been going on with me. He decided to put me on one 50mg nortryptiline per day (mild antidepressant with mild analgesic side effects) along with 50mg tramadol 3 times a day, so 150mg of tramadol per day total, spread out every 6 hours or whatever.

Now, here's my question:

If I am taking 50mg of tramadol, three times a day, for many weeks, if not several months, and thus obviously will build up quite a tolerance to the tramadol, which is an opioid, will this mean that if, let's say I have more pain after I stop taking tramadol, that if I try taking a 5mg percocet or 5mg vicodin, later on, after I'm no longer using tramadol, some months down the road, that I will no longer get any pain killing effect out of vicodin or percocet, due to tolerance I built to tramadol in the months past?

Cuz I really don't want to take tramadol daily, if it means that I will no longer be able to use vicodin or percocet in the future to control my pain on my worst days. That scares me, because I have heard that tramadol can only reduce medium pain, but that the most extremely severe pain can only be helped by the "real stuff" (aka morphine, vicodin, percocet etc). So I want to know if me taking tramadol dailu for a couple months will make me immune to the effects of vicodin/percocet in the future after that.

Thanks. Sorry for making the post so long. I guess I'll write cliffnotes for those who don't want to read the whole thing:




Cliffnotes:

- I have severe stabbing pains every day

- Some days are much worse than other days

- I have a super bad day about once a week, so I only take vicodin about once per week, on my worst day, so that it is actually EFFECTIVE when I use it, due to not building up a quick tolerance to it by taking it every day.

- I love the fact that vicodin is actually able to significantly lower my pain when I do take it, and I do NOT want to jeopardize this with the tramadol I have been prescribed for daily use

- My doctor prescribed me 50mg tramadol tablets to be used daily, 3 times per day.

- Will my 3-a-day daily use of 50mg tramadols for a month or two make me not be able to have any effect from vicodin/percocet (I use only 5mg of vicodin/percocet and I'd like to have them be effective at this low dosage for as long as I can), or, will I still get a decent pain killing effect out of the vic/perc's even after using tramadol daily like this for a few months prior?

thanks!

should i be worried about using a Fentanyl Pain Patch?
July 8, 2009 at 8:16 pm

my doc wants to put me on these because the hydrocodone i have been taking is not working very good anymore and i have read bad things about these patches.
i am also wondering if i am going to have to go through withdrawals from hydrocodone if i do switch to these patches?

thanx

my doc is wanting to put me on patches for pain?
July 8, 2009 at 7:45 pm

i am reading horror stories about these things about ppl dying and such and i have been taking hydrocodone for my back pain and i am worried about these patches does anyone have any info on these
i am also wondering if i am going to go through the withdrawals when i switch to the patch if i do?

Tramadol detox advice for my brother
July 8, 2009 at 5:40 pm

Hi-I'm new here,and I was hoping someone could give me some info on the easiest and (relatively)most painless way for someone to get off Tramadol. My older brother had a back injury about a year ago,and he was prescribed 50 mg. of Tramadol 4 times a day for pain. The injury is still present,but my brother doesn't want to take Tramadol anymore-his Dr. told him it was safe and non habit forming,and he found out different from research about the medication. He tried just stopping them and not taking any of his prescription,but he says he felt absolutely HORRID! Is there something he CAN do,at home,that is inexpensive,natural,and doesn't involve any other drugs to get off of this stuff? I have had a few friends and acquaintences who have had problems with getting hooked on the "stronger" stuff,but never have heard of anybody getting hooked on Tramadol-the stuff sounds NASTY-after seeing what my bro has gone thru-they couldn't give it to me on my DEATHBEAD for pain!!!! Thanx a lot to everyone who might try to help!!!

blue diamond-shaped - marked 100 - please ID
July 8, 2009 at 4:58 pm

Please ID blue wide diamond shaped pill with "100" - found in my home

Subutex related post
July 8, 2009 at 2:28 pm

Hey everyone, i have been scanning some opiate related forums today for Buprenorphine related information, you seem a nice bunch so i thought id sign up and post my case here.

Im 21 and have been on a maintenance 'program' of Subutex since i was 16/17 which of course means regardless of my previous DOC habit i have now a 4+ year Bupe dependance. My dosage has ranged from as little as 0.2 (have tried tapering many times and even rehab once) to 28 mg (Which is a pretty absurd dose).

I had always struggled with frequent relapses during this time but the last Year and a half-Two Years i had stayed on a (rather high) dose of 24mg, but in that period of time i have been 'clean', at least of all opiates/opioids excluding my Subs (I had never managed a month before that) so i stayed on this 24mg dose.

NOW, 2-3 week ago i had a relapse to my DOC (IV Heroin), I have been planning the jump back to Subs for the last week and my last hit of gear was yesterday at 10 PM. I am aware that after short acting opiates like Heroin you must wait 12-24 hours before taking your bupe or youll be kicked into full on withdrawal instantly.

This morning i woke up about 7 pretty sick: Yawning,Runny eyes,RLS, aches and sweatiness, that sort of thing, but it hadnt been even 12 hours so i had to wait. After about 2 hours of this somehow i managed to fall back asleep but woke up almost immediately from (if you'll excuse me) ejaculate going on my stomach. I changed and sat there waiting. I decided id wait 12 hours exactly.

At 10 am roughly i put 2 8mg Subutex under my tongue (2/3 my usual dose) and waited. I thought i was getting better... but around 10.30-11 BAM! On top of the aforementioned symptoms the single worst case of the hot/itchy/burning/electrifying insides kicked in. This has always been the symptom ive had the most trouble with. All the other symptoms were maxed up to an incredible degree and im glad my girlfriend didnt touch me around that time as the coating of sweat must have been an inch thick.

Long story short, after a time 10/30 mins of punching the air/myself/the bed i started calling people. For benzos,gear, ANYTHING. My H dealer said he was on his way and eventually arrived with 2 bags (0.2-0.3 each) What sucks is that the ULTRA-unbearable side of things that had made me desperated enough to call my dealer was by this time subsided and i was dealing with the 6 on a scale of 10 w/d rather than 11 outta 10. Anyways i knew the H would be mainly blocked by the Bupe but IV'd it anyway. About 2/3 of it anyway. It took the edge of even more. This was around 1-2pm i believed.

Now its around 7 and im wondering what to do, i have what would normally be a decent hit sitting there, im sure i dont need to explain anyone what thats like, i have a huge dose of subs that would block it. I have enough subs for a loooong time.

Im wondering what to do? Im really confused going back and forwards, this is a huge and obnoxious post so i doubt itll be read but if i dont get any help at least i get to share this.

At around 10am tomorrow ill be able to do that hit and actually get a little buzz. Or at 10 am tomorrow i could take my subs without risking precipitated w/d's (take how much of them?)
Or i could do the hit now which would be like doing pisswater and would move the time i can take my subs safely from 10am tomorrow to abou 7pm tomorrow. But if i dont do it now i will want it in the morning, itll be hardly satisfactory and i will still have to wait 16-24 hrs for my bupe, most of which will be spent in w/d.

Right now i dont feel good but i dont feel bad either. I still have RLS and alternating hot/cold chills/sweats.And because this Bupe was the first in weeks it may come out quicker.
If i throw this gear away it'll be the first time i have done such thing, it feels physically impossible but it may be the only option. But what if i get ill before its safe to take my bupe?

Please if youve read all this at least give me your opinion, it'll always be apreciated. Even if its late after the fact.

Thank you.

Precipitated Withdrawals
July 8, 2009 at 2:20 pm

Hey everyone, i have been scanning some opiate related forums today for Buprenorphine related information, you seem a nice bunch so i thought id sign up and post my case here.

Im 21 and have been on a maintenance 'program' of Subutex since i was 16/17 which of course means regardless of my previous DOC habit i have now a 4+ year Bupe dependance. My dosage has ranged from as little as 0.2 (have tried tapering many times and even rehab once) to 28 mg (Which is a pretty absurd dose).

I had always struggled with frequent relapses during this time but the last Year and a half-Two Years i had stayed on a (rather high) dose of 24mg, but in that period of time i have been 'clean', at least of all opiates/opioids excluding my Subs (I had never managed a month before that) so i stayed on this 24mg dose.

NOW, 2-3 week ago i had a relapse to my DOC (IV Heroin), I have been planning the jump back to Subs for the last week and my last hit of gear was yesterday at 10 PM. I am aware that after short acting opiates like Heroin you must wait 12-24 hours before taking your bupe or youll be kicked into full on withdrawal instantly.

This morning i woke up about 7 pretty sick: Yawning,Runny eyes,RLS, aches and sweatiness, that sort of thing, but it hadnt been even 12 hours so i had to wait. After about 2 hours of this somehow i managed to fall back asleep but woke up almost immediately from (if you'll excuse me) ejaculate going on my stomach. I changed and sat there waiting. I decided id wait 12 hours exactly.

At 10 am roughly i put 2 8mg Subutex under my tongue (2/3 my usual dose) and waited. I thought i was getting better... but around 10.30-11 BAM! On top of the aforementioned symptoms the single worst case of the hot/itchy/burning/electrifying insides kicked in. This has always been the symptom ive had the most trouble with. All the other symptoms were maxed up to an incredible degree and im glad my girlfriend didnt touch me around that time as the coating of sweat must have been an inch thick.

Long story short, after a time 10/30 mins of punching the air/myself/the bed i started calling people. For benzos,gear, ANYTHING. My H dealer said he was on his way and eventually arrived with 2 bags (0.2-0.3 each) What sucks is that the ULTRA-unbearable side of things that had made me desperated enough to call my dealer was by this time subsided and i was dealing with the 6 on a scale of 10 w/d rather than 11 outta 10. Anyways i knew the H would be mainly blocked by the Bupe but IV'd it anyway. About 2/3 of it anyway. It took the edge of even more. This was around 1-2pm i believed.

Now its around 7 and im wondering what to do, i have what would normally be a decent hit sitting there, im sure i dont need to explain anyone what thats like, i have a huge dose of subs that would block it. I have enough subs for a loooong time.

Im wondering what to do? Im really confused going back and forwards, this is a huge and obnoxious post so i doubt itll be read but if i dont get any help at least i get to share this.

At around 10am tomorrow ill be able to do that hit and actually get a little buzz. Or at 10 am tomorrow i could take my subs without risking precipitated w/d's (take how much of them?)
Or i could do the hit now which would be like doing pisswater and would move the time i can take my subs safely from 10am tomorrow to abou 7pm tomorrow. But if i dont do it now i will want it in the morning, itll be hardly satisfactory and i will still have to wait 16-24 hrs for my bupe, most of which will be spent in w/d.

Right now i dont feel good but i dont feel bad either. I still have RLS and alternating hot/cold chills/sweats.And because this Bupe was the first in weeks it may come out quicker.
If i throw this gear away it'll be the first time i have done such thing, it feels physically impossible but it may be the only option. But what if i get ill before its safe to take my bupe?

Please if youve read all this at least give me your opinion, it'll always be apreciated. Even if its late after the fact.

Thank you.

Prescription drug advertising
July 8, 2009 at 7:20 am

Hi,

Just a post to gain an insight on feelings regarding the promotion of prescription pharmaceuticals. I am currently undertaking my final year project at university, and therefore would be grateful if you could spare a few minutes to complete my online survey.
The link is: http://s-tagg.market.strath.ac.uk/q/...singdraft2.htm

Thanks very much for your help
Andrew

Prescription drug advertising
July 8, 2009 at 7:20 am

Hi,

Just a post to gain an insight on feelings regarding the promotion of prescription pharmaceuticals. I am currently undertaking my final year project at university, and therefore would be grateful if you could spare a few minutes to complete my online survey.
The link is: http://s-tagg.market.strath.ac.uk/q/...singdraft2.htm

Thanks very much for your help
Andrew
 

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