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hydrocodone vs fentanyl withdrawal
June 11, 2009 at 10:26 pm

I went through fentanyl withdrawal (cold turkey) a few months ago. It was pure Hell!! I am now 24 hrs without hydrocodone (60mg/day). Is the withdrawal process as bad? I had a couple of clonidine and they helped. Now I'm taking clonazepam (valium type rx). It seems to help but I know the 2nd and 3rd days are the worst. I have been trying to stay active and go to gym.

Am I overreacting due to my past experience with fentanyl? I hope so. If anyone has any ideas or experience, please reply. I'm hoping it'll be fairly easy. Thanks!!

need assistance
June 11, 2009 at 6:57 pm

I'm getting ready to lose my insurance and need help with paying for my medicine. What do I need to do to get some help paying for my medicine?

Let Me Fall (for those dealing with a loved ones drug abuse)
June 11, 2009 at 12:46 pm

I haven't posted these in a while, we have a few newcomers dealing with a loved ones drug use and saw it appropriate to repost for them to read. I found these on on another forum last year and I still get goosebumps when i read them because everything below is so true.

Let Me Fall All By Myself


If you love me let me fall all by myself. Don't try to spread a net out to catch me. Don't throw a pillow under my ass to cushion the pain so I don't have to feel it. Don't stand in the place I am going to land so that you can break the fall (allowing yourself to get hurt instead of me) ... Let me fall as far down as my addiction is going to take me, let me walk the valley alone all by myself, let me reach the bottom of the pit ... trust that there is a bottom there somewhere even if you can't see it. The sooner you stop saving me from myself, stop rescuing me, trying to fix my broken-ness, trying to understand me to a fault, enabling me ... The sooner you allow me to feel the loss and consequences, the burden of my addiction on my shoulders and not yours ... the sooner I will arrive ... and on time ... just right where I need to be ... me, alone, all by myself in the rubble of the lifestyle I lead ... resist the urge to pull me out because that will only put me back at square one ... If I am allowed to stay at the bottom and live there for awhile ... I am free to get sick of it on my own, free to begin to want out, free to look for a way out, and free to plan how I will climb back up to the top. In the beginning as I start to climb out .. I just might slide back down, but don't worry I might have to hit bottom a couple more times before I make it out safe and sound ... Don't you see ?? Don't you know ?? You can't do this for me ... I have to do it for myself, but if you are always breaking the fall how am I ever suppose to feel the pain that is part of the driving force to want to get well. It is my burden to carry, not yours ... I know you love me and that you mean well and a lot of what you do is because you don't know what to do and you act from your heart not from knowledge of what is best for me ... but if you truly love me let me go my own way, make my own choices be they bad or good ... don't clip my wings before I can learn to fly ... Nudge me out of your safety net ... trust the process and pray for me ... that one day I will not only fly, but maybe even soar. ---Passion

What Addicts Do

My name's Jon. I'm an addict. And this is what addicts do. You cannot nor will not change my behavior. You cannot make me treat you better, let alone with any respect. All I care about, all I think about, is my needs and how to go about fufilling them. You are a tool to me, something to use. When I say I love you I am lying through my teeth, because love is impossible for someone in active addiction. I wouldn't be using if I loved myself, and since I don't, I cannot love you.

My feelings are so pushed down and numbed by my drugs that I could be considered sociopathic. I have no empathy for you or anyone else. It doesn't faze me that I hurt you, leave you hungry, lie to you, cheat on you and steal from you.

My behavior cannot and will not change until i make a decison to stop using/drinking and then follow it up with a plan of action.

And until I make that decsion, I will hurt you again and again and again.

Stop being surprised.

I am an addict. And that's what addicts do.
__________________
Dear Family/Friends/Loved Ones,

I am a drug abuser. I need help.

Don't solve my problems for me. This only makes me lose respect for you - and for myself.

Don't lecture, moralize, scold, blame, or argue whether I'm stoned or sober. It may make you feel better, but it only makes the situation worse.

Don't accept my promises. The nature of my illness prevents my keeping them, even though I mean them at the time. Promises are only my way of postponing pain.

And don't keep switching agreements; if an agreement is made, stick to it.

Don't lose your temper with me. It will destroy you and any possibility of helping me.

Don't let your anxiety for me make you do what I should do for myself.

Don't believe everything I tell you. Often I don't even know the truth - let alone tell it.

Don't cover up or try to spare me the consequences of my using. It may reduce the crisis, but it will make my illness worse.

Above all, don't run away from reality as I do. Drug dependence, my illness, gets worse as my using continues.

Start now to learn, to understand, to plan for your own recovery. Find Families Anonymous, Nar-Anon, Al-Anon or CoDA; those groups exist to help families in just your situation.

I need help - from a doctor, a psychologist, a counselor, from some people in a self-help program who are in recovery from a drug problem themselves - and from a Power greater than myself.

Love,
Your "User"

You can't make me clean, though I know it is what you want for me to be. But until I want it. I won't be. You can't love me clean, because until I learn to love myself. I won't be. I know you must wonder how can I learn to love myself when I am caught up in a life style of self-hatred and self destruction. I can learn from my own experiences. I can learn from the things that happen to me along the path of my own mistakes. I can learn by being allowed to suffer the consequences of my choices. Life has a funny way of teaching us the lessons we need learn.

I know it devastates you to watch me hurting myself. I know you want to jump in and save me. This helps ease your pain, but I don't think you understand just how damaging it is to me.

You see, although I look and sound like your loved one. I am not. That person is in a self imposed prison way deep down inside of my being and what you see before you is an addict ruled and reigned by my addiction. I am a addict and my main focus is to feed the addiction. Every effort you put forth in the name of "helping me" falls prey to my addiction giving it more power to shackle me down a little more each time.

I feed my addiction enough. So please don't help me.

The only way for the real me to get free is to be free. FREE to fall as far down as I need to go in order to find the strength to fight and find my way back. To break free.

How can or will I ever be able to get clean you wonder ...

The same way I gave myself over to my addiction is the same way I can give myself over to my recovery. BY MYSELF

By not enabling me you will be allowing me to reach "rock bottom". By trusting the process you move over and allow me to find the my own way back. You see, it is in the fight to get free that I will find myself. It is in the fight that I will learn to love myself and the more I love myself ... the more I will start to do to better myself, but I myself, must do this.

I am aware that when I use I am playing Russian roulette with my life. I know this, but that is a chance I take when I use. The addict in me is willing to take that chance in the name of getting high.

Rock bottom is but a circumstance away. I can't reach it you are blocking the entrance.

I know you love me and you only want whats best for me ... but that very love keeps you blind sighted to just what truly is best for me and causes you to act from/out of fear and emotions.

Please for my sake don't try to stop me... just let me go ... move out of the way and let me fall as far down as my addiction is going to take me ... as far down as I have to to reach rock bottom. Don't try to cushion the fall. Just believe in me and trust the process. Pray for me that when I do hit ... it is not with the impact that leaves me for dead (I know that is your greatest fear), but if it comes to that, be sure to tell my story so that others might learn from my mistakes and live.

Passion
Recovering addict

Any Advise Would be so helpful!!!!
June 11, 2009 at 12:10 pm

I have been with my boyfriend for abut a year. When we first started dating. I will call him P. P told me he use to have a huge drug problem, but he had been clean for two years. P seemed so honest about his past it did not seem like I really had anything to worry about. Well about 3 months ago P started to have some problems with one of the managers at his work. To make a long storie short P was suspended. The same manager who suspende P was out to get him for what ever reason and P had enough. He went to his Doctor and the doctor put P on Stress leave, until they settle this situation. Well about two days after this P come over to my house and was like in a really extra good mood. I did not want to say anything about the sudden change in moods because he was not that way since the all the dramma begane. Later that night he told me his back had been bothering him and that his friend had givven him a perk to numb the pain. I really did not think too much of it, but two days later he was all hyper and happy again. This is when I clued in to why he was acting strange. He confessed to me he had infact taken Haf an oxy with his so called friend, but it was just a one time thing. Now it has turned into an every day thing. When he cant find thatm he is misrable to be around. HE has not job right now. He is living at my house with my son from a previous relationship. I keep noticing chage going missing. He has no sex drive, he is moodie all the time until he is high and then he keeps pretending he is going to start NA to get off them, but does not go. I am a my wits end. I love the guy in every way except this. When P is high he goes on and on about how this is his last week and then he will stop cold turkey. I think P is up to like 2 80s a day now. We have no extra money because he keeps spending it on drugs. I dont no what to do anymore. I want to help and understand him, but I have never been a drug attic so I really have no idea what to do! Any advice of personal expereance would be much aprechated. Thanks in advanse

How long does Suboxone stay in system
June 11, 2009 at 8:49 am

I was prescribed suboxone for my heroin addiction about 3 mos ago...while still using from time to time I decided to taper myself off the suboxone myself...I returned to the dr's to get a refill after I relapsed...last night I took 2/ 8mg subs around 9pm....however my actual prescription says I am supposed to take 3/ 8mg subs per day....an issue has arose when my boyfriend wants to get high for one last time today..My question is will I be able to feel the effects if I end up getting high this afternoon?? I was under the impression that the suboxone only blocks opiates when taken at the correct dose. Please, this is my 1st time posting on here and I know there are many of you that have been in this position before :D

Need Help Desperatly...life is on a downward spiral from oxycodone
June 11, 2009 at 6:18 am

I am pleading for any support anyone out there can offer me. I am alone in my house with several weeks off of work to deal with a problem I am ashamed of and that is ripping apart my life and my marriage.

It all started several years ago where I got a taste of oxy and loved it. For the next two years I occassionaly dabeled with opiates, anything i could get my hands on, but never took anything for more than a few days in a row with usually several weeks or months between experiences.

Fast forward to 11 months ago...I began using poppy pod tea and within weeks it escalated from once every 4 days to every day. I started with 7 pods and by the end i was using 50 large pods per dose...consuming several liters of fluid. This happened once a day anad I found that if i stopped for two days I felt horrible withdrawals....so i continued. I had a medical problem about 3 months ago which resulted in me being presribed oxycodone. It started with medium doses (as I was already tolerant due to the pods)...my doctors didn't know why i required such high doses. Within a month I was taking 400 mg oxycontin daily with 25mg oxyir every 2-3 hours.

I hated my life at this point and was no longer experiencing pain so i tapered down and off the oxycontin within 2 weeks. That left me with the oxyir. I tapered that down to 80-100mg a day over the course of 1 month which is where i stand today. I have been given clonidine patch to help with my withdrawal. The dose is 0.2mg per day and i have 4 patches. I only have two weeks off of work and I am deadset on quitting. I stopped all oxycodone and waited. Everything seemed to be going well and then about 24 hrs later I felt like I could jump 30ft in the air it was so wired and fidgety. I felt like my brain was on fire and moving a million times a minute. It was so awful that 30 hrs after my last dose, i relapsed and took a dose of oxy. I am so disheartened at my failure and continued to take oxy thru the day today. I am still motivated and just took my last dose of oxy again and am even more motivated this time. I figure if i have the same problem again i will put two clonidine patches on to help deal with it.

I desperately need support from you guys on here. I've only been on oxy for 3 months so i hope i can kick it despite the high dose. I've tried to taper but failed. That's why i'm going cold turkey. I don't wish to use suboxone or methadone. I know about hte thomas recipe but can't get benzos. I'm stuck with what i have in the time frame i have. 14 days and i already quandered two of them.

I feel like such a failure and i feel as if i can't handle this on my own given my relapse only 30 hrs into detox. I need to be free of this med. My problem really isn't psychic addiction but more physical dependance. I have no compulsion to take the medicine. The only time i feel i have to take it is when i feel intense withdrawal symptoms. I could so easily kick it if it wasn't for withdrawal. Once I have withdrawan and been off oxy for at least 14 days, I plan on using it for lingering pain no more than one low dose every two days if needed. This will not result in becoming dependant again and i know i can control the use after going thru withdrawal. Thanks for anyones help.

pain pump
June 11, 2009 at 4:54 am

I have been on a pain pump & also take methadone 10mg 3x day. I was wondering if this is safe ^ if any one else does the same thing.
thank you:)

Realizing Im addicted to Oxy..
June 10, 2009 at 11:11 pm

Im 21 and I have been abusing for about 3 or 4 months now, snorting oxy anywheres from a 40 to an 80 When I cant get that Im snorting as many perc 10's that I can get me hands on, Im now realizing that this is becoming a problem for me! I want to stop but in the same note I still enjoy using. So Im wondering if anyone has advice as to how I should quite or slowdown! I also want to know what kind of withdrawls im in for I notice if i go a day or 2 without that im irritable, im in pain, i sleep, i cry, im just a mess is it going to get worse?
 

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